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The worst singer and the most overrated band in the history of rock

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  •  08-20-2007, 11:49 AM 9560 in reply to 5796

    Re: The worst singer and the most overrated band in the history of rock

    Hahahaha. You say all of Led Zeppelin's songs were ripped off? Who the *** wrote Hot Dog? Who the *** wrote All My Love? Who the *** wrote Communication Breakdown? And who fucking cares who's credited? Unless you're Robert fucking Johnson, you shouldn't give a *** whether or not he's credited. Robert Plant has one of the greatest voices in rock. It's about the music man, not who's fucking credited, not whether or not the song is a cover or it's an original.
  •  08-30-2007, 1:23 AM 9634 in reply to 5796

    Re: The worst singer and the most overrated band in the history of rock

    Wow...that was the most eloquent and accurate [and kind] rebuttal/correction I've ever seen...great writing...anyway, I had to respond, seeing as how you mentioned Elvis Costello, Hot Tuna, Jeff Beck's 'Beck-ola' and that your first album was Beatles Second Album....which was an album I could sing along with when I was three--(the Beatles being the reason I play guitar and love quality music so much)...and that you mention all those great authentic blues songs that Hot Tuna and even Electric Flag did[!!]..[Those songs were Grateful Dead staples in their shows, as you may know..[the Dead are another Huge Fave o' mine]-- I never knew Page was such a scally-wag thief..I'd only heard rumors as a youth....[I never cared for them, really..something I just could not put my finger on bothered me about them, and kinda turned me off]...anyway, I'm a huge fan of 'Art' bands like [early] Genesis, King Crimson, and Yes...and Procol Harum and even some ELP...and Steve Hackett, and Gabriel...Also huge Zappa, Grateful Dead[and Phish, too]..Little Feat[early] and Steely Dan and Allman's..etc...[are you yawning yet??]...thought we might have some musical 'commonalities' and could talk some cool tunes/bands up....hope to hear back from you.....Take Care, Kevin

  •  08-30-2007, 10:03 PM 9647 in reply to 5613

    Re: The worst singer and the most overrated band in the history of rock

    Zeppelin rec'd a lot of negative reviews, but not because of their musical abilities, but rather because of their brash business acumen and overtly sexualized stage/song presence. You must really know your stuff, eh? I've met people like you though. i had a friend who hated the Beatles too. They were over rated for him as well. I'm curious, what bands do you really love? It'd be great to hear who you admire.

    Kevin
  •  09-17-2007, 1:54 PM 9778 in reply to 5613

    Re: The worst singer and the most overrated band in the history of rock

    Thems are fightin words indeed. You wanna fight about it? Go on- I dare ya. Nobody says that about the greatest band of all time. Nobody. If you were anywhere close to me I would probably kill you. Page is one of the top 5 guitarists of all time; Plant is one of the top 5 singers of all time, which I cannot believe that you dare to question; Jones is a top 20 bassist; Bonham is the 2nd all-time greatest drummer of all time (behind Neil Peart of Rush). Listen to any of their recordings (Presence not included) and you should find that they truly are one of the greatest bands to walk the face of the Earth. Unless you're too stupid to know good music when you hear it? I bet you're into the High School Musical Disney-pop crap that's out there right now. Or rap, the most worthless, easiest form of music in the world. "It took 20 years for rock vocals to recover from the damage Plant caused. Singing matters." Yes it does. Who then redefined singing? Kurt Cobain? Get the crap out of your ears and realize that all of todays music is partially because of Zeppelin. Without them, you would not have any of the music that you like. Once you understand that, you may be persuaded to quietly change your opinion and never post another hateful thing like this again.
  •  09-18-2007, 11:24 PM 9783 in reply to 9778

    Re: The worst singer and the most overrated band in the history of rock

    You just threatened to kill me. Hey moderator, this Led head just threatened to kill me. I go away for a few months and I get to come back to death threats? Sweet. Death threats...

    All so you could claim Jones as the 20th best bass player? (Presence not included.) You can't believe I dare to question Plant's singing?  You missed the point. Plant trashed actual singing. Plant was a screecher. Plant was awful. He might still be awful. Maybe you can catch his next performance on u toob. I'm sure you'll be proud of it. I'm sure you'll drool when they waddle out on stage.

    Who reclaimed singing from the screeming weenie? Oh, I don't know, Nick Lowe? John Otway? Carlton Fisk? Certainly not Plant clone Axl Rose. Who cares just as long as Robert Planet stopped being considered the ultimate rock singer. (Presence not included.)

    The crap came out of my ears when Zep faded away. I hope you realize that all of today's music goes on inspite of what Led Zeppelin tried to do to it. They made a buck. Raped some teenagers and were barely heard from again.

    For all of his problems Kurt Cobain, to my knowledge was not a rapist. (Presence not included.) If you think Led Zep-plain was the greatest band of all time you have set your sights way too low. (Presence not included.) If you noticed any of my other posts I don't think I presented any musician as a God that couldn't be criticized. Some people are better than others. I have my go-to bands and artists and you have yours. Millions of people agree with you while millions agree with me that Plant was the worst singer and LZ was the most overrated band in the history of rock. Oh, I have to go grade some papers. I think one of them is yours. And I'm afraid to tell you but you're going to have to do sophomore year over again. (Presence not included.)

    Hey moderator, this twit threatened to kill me.
  •  09-19-2007, 4:57 PM 9800 in reply to 9783

    Re: The worst singer and the most overrated band in the history of rock

    To paraphrase Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?"
  •  10-01-2007, 3:20 AM 9906 in reply to 9800

    Re: The worst singer and the most overrated band in the history of rock

    Peter H the comedic value of your original post is beginning to wear a little thin now.

     All you have really proved is that you are a person of limited social skills and compensate as such by attention seeking in a way designed primarily to annoy others.

                   I observe also by the way you choose to write that you are some kind of failed wanna be music journalist who reads a lot about music and thinks its clever to name drop(repeatedly....yawn)

     So you don't like Led Zeppelin. So what ? Nobody says you have an obligation to appreciate what they did or how they did it. They were a band of their time . The right sound and the upfront attitude that captured the mood of the moment.

       Save us from your piffle though ? It took twenty years to recover from them. Oh really...sugar coated ,production line, formulaic  girlie rock of the eighties was good was it? I think not Freedom of choice as to what we want to listen to is a good thing. Act your age and don't knock it.

         Peter what does the H stand for? Horse Shite ? as best describes your style of written communication.

  •  10-13-2007, 8:18 AM 10013 in reply to 6072

    Re: The worst singer and the most overrated band in the history of rock

    hvy2nz:

    hvy2nz's responses IN CAPS to THE led zep hate monger:

    Virtually everything that is maddening about contemporary rock music comes directly from Led Zeppelin:   (WTF)  AGAIN
     
    bad album covers, pretentious lyrics, pointless guitar virtuosity, leaden-footed drumming, skinny singers with too much blond hair, pop Satanism, the complete absence of a sense of humor."
    Joe Queenan - Wall Street Journal
    hvy2nz says.....and I'm not a led zep worshipper.....but isn't there a place for your hate like the democratic underground,  my space rush linden bomb 
     
    long live music   peace out

     

    About the Joe Queenan Article listed as evidence by Peter H --
    "...Virtually everything that is maddening about contemporary rock music comes directly from Led Zeppelin: bad album covers, pretentious lyrics, pointless guitar virtuosity, leaden-footed drumming, skinny singers with too much blond hair, pop Satanism, the complete absence of a sense of humor."
    And this so called Writer was worried about Satan getting the short end of the stick? Puh-leeze!  Who was it again, that sold his soul? 
    He selfishly anoints himself the Controller of who should have long hair and what Album covers must be; not to mention what can be considered humorous (DOH). Closet Tyrant is more correct, not News Reporter. Obviously, someone inside was alerted about Joseph Queenan, and he found out access was not an option. It's amazing how wastes of space like this one continuously hide behind their job titles all day long. He would have proven his point more directly had he gotten on stage and shown the World how it's get done. Yet, I've never heard of Joe Queenan "Rock Star" .... have any of you?
    I rest my point with selective evidence by Peter H to promote propaganda. I just have to wonder how wealthy both Peter H and Joe Queenan have become with their version of public defamation, re-defined as opinion, simply because one of them somehow got hold of a Press Pass.
    Jimmy Page doesn't play OFF-KEY, partner .... he regularly tuned his guitar to the key of E ... try it sometime. He didn't conform, a reason he stands out even today.
    For decades, any and all good bands, and quite a large number of the great bands have all subsisted with multi-track layering in the studio, also known as overdubs. There is practically NO BAND OUT THERE that has the ability to sound exactly the same in concert as they do on Studio Albums. Not even Peter H's so-called FAV's. Peter's limited evidence of enightenment for what should be considered trash music avoids all spock logic.
    I have a couple soundboard recordings of Led Zep from back in '68 (Fillmore West) and '73 (Buffalo). When I was stationed in Chandler AZ, I ran into a guy that was using a bland white cover LP to roll up his doobies with, very much like the Frank Zappa and the Mothers live Album that anyone can still buy today. Tell us you never actually inhaled, please! ... And, it had nothing on it to say who the Band was. You actually had to play it, to know who the band was. It only said: "Live on Blueberry Hill" ... guess what folks, it was Led Zep One and Two (only) and it was all 'live'.
    I've been searching for that LP ever since. The guy seriously didn't know what he had - it was a DJ copy as well, not meant for consumer consumption. There was no LZ-3 on it whatsoever, if there was more than one LP in that package, he didn't have it with him - so, I assumed they were still writing that stuff on the Jet as they travelled.  This was in mid-Spring of '73.  As for LZ being nothing more than a rip-off band, Robert Plant himself, in interviews all the time, outright admits where they got their ideas from and gives credit freely. Admits to having made great friendships with many of those players along the way. I don't hear of any of the blues players from those days saying Page & Plant were ripping them off.
    You see, they don't see it as ripping someone else off - look what Elvis did, seriously. Robert Plant AND Jimmy Page constantly give the earlier blues musicians credit for their influence to the songs LZ put together. You would be wrong if you tried to say otherwise.
    As soon as you tried to corrolate Led Zep with New York Gangs (the movie "Warriors" comes to mind, which you certainly must have a copy, I'm sure), I knew I was reading lefty hype. I didn't even need to read the next two sentences in that paragraph. Curious how the Left always 'try' to sound high & mighty, but when the real work is getting done, they somehow disappear. Still busy trying to figure a way to skim off the top before everyone around you gets suspicious, are we?
    Truth is, Robert and Jimmy both had a taste for good literature and bringing Lord of the Rings to Song is never a crime. I take it you would have played backgammon forever on those plane rides between concerts? They obviously made better use of their time. Again, how much do you have in the Bank?
    And, no, Led Zep wasn't everywhere so you HAD TO GO WITH IT .... there were plenty of other bands out there to listen to like YES, or the emergence of the Doobie Brothers or Jackson Browne (?)   How about the original Fleetwood Mac? Oh, I know...., since you're such a veteran of the ROCK WARS ... what about Bloodrock?
    That's right, you ain't that old that none of the others from that time era have long since gone and passed away. I was born in '54, so we're practically the same age. Although my military service, circa April '72 did keep me from actually seeing LZ on stage, before John Bonham died, I did get to see a great deal many of things from around America (AZ) and Europe (Stationed at Hahn AB). I finally did get to see Page & Plant back in the 90's and Plant (solo) at Alpine Valley before that, in the 80's.
    You remind me of the Dem Politicans of today ... trying to sell something using false wit. If your product had merit, you wouldn't have to work so damn hard at it. Your product does not have the ability to sell itself.... too bad for you, I guess. Next thing you know, you'll be asking Harry Reid to help you censor the lot of us who disagree with you.
    Most of today's musicians in the U.S. seem to have lost all ingenuity and imagination. The 60's & 70's will remain the peak of music creation as far as Rock Music (and its various versions) is concerned; until we have yet another re-birth of freedom to write what we want AND see it get published as opposed to the current Dictatorship nonsense we see with the pre-formatted groups of the last two decades, who regularly never write their own songs.  The sheer mathematical genius within music itself is displayed best in the complex writings of YES, in my opinion.  Almost no one in the U.S. comes anywhere close. 
    Oh, one more thing - no one hates the phrase "Clapton is God", more than Eric himself. Many of Eric's releases are directly attributed to/from the earlier blues greats themselves. You should know better than to perpetuate something a "blues musician still in training" himself can't stand.
    I'm out......
  •  10-24-2007, 7:59 PM 10103 in reply to 9634

    Re: The worst singer and the most overrated band in the history of rock

    I recently decided to listen to a band that I had pretty much ignored throughout the 60s, 70s and 80s to see if I could understand what the fuss was all about. So I went out and bought a copy of ***'s Picks, Volume 4 which was rated as one of the best Dead concerts of all time. Ohmigod! I could barely listen to it. Long, awful, out of tune solos that went on WAY too long. I forced myself to listen to the whole show and then vowed never to listen to this lawn inducing collaboration again. The Dead are/were dead all along!

    P
  •  11-15-2007, 4:15 PM 10298 in reply to 5796

    Re: The worst singer and the most overrated band in the history of rock

    Peter H:

    To paraphrase Max Yasgur, “I’m a rock fan.” My first album was the Beatles Second Album. 9th birthday. 1964. My latest is the new Joan Osborne. My tastes are all over the place. Do I like bland and modern as suggested above? Who would that be? I do play it safe sometimes if you can call Los Lobos safe. But I’ve always given everything a try. That’s why I can say I don’t like, oh, death metal, or Yani. Keeping it in the Vault, I love a good short fast song with a lot of attitude (Elvis Costello – Pump It Up 06/07/78) and I love me some jamming (The Flamin Groovies – Road House 6/30/71. Hot Tuna - Death Don’t Have No Mercy 04/30/72) And I love the blues in all flavors when it’s done by masters instead of pretenders. (Electric Flag – I’d Rather Drink Muddy Water 05/18/1968.) 

     

    When Led Zeppelin came out in early ‘69 I was 14 and Jeff Beck’s Beck-Ola had already been on the turntable for half a year. Three songs into LZ came You Shook Me. I distinctly remember reaching for Beck-Ola to play Beck’s earlier version. I thought, hey wait a minute. This is a rip-off. And that Rod Stewart guy is a better singer. Yeah, I said it.  (After ‘74 I can’t defend Rod but wait until the Vault puts up Jeff Beck Group’s 07/24/68 show.) At 14 I didn’t know my blues originators so I wasn’t hip to the theft of Jake Holmes’ "Dazed and Confused." A complete rip off but Jimmy Page is credited with writing it. Holmes opened for the Yardbirds in ‘67 and Page just stole it. Then there was Howlin' Wolf - How Many More Years, Memphis Minnie and Kansas Joe - When the Levee Breaks, Muddy Waters’ You Need Love = Whole Lotta Love, Willie Dixon - I Can't Quit You Baby, Sonny Boy Williamson - Bring It On Home, Muddy Waters - You Shook Me, Howlin' Wolf's "Killing Floor" = "The Lemon Song." When Cream, The Allman Bros. etc. released an album the real writer was credited. It matters. When you’ve already seen some money from the Yardbirds and the first LZ album it’s pathetic to rob songwriters. And it wouldn't be so sad if they had not come down so hard and humorlessly on Little Roger and the Goosebumps’ parody “Gilligan’s Island (Stairway)” aka "Stairway to Gilligan's Island.” Luckily they did move past their greedy plagiarism phase and into their, elves and gnomes days.

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    Led Zeppelin was everywhere so you had to just go with it. Heard all the albums, saw them in Chicago (‘72 & ‘75) and over time I just came to realize that their lyrics were pretentious and their riffs were derivative and the reason they took 34 years to release a proper live album was because they were too lazy to do the endless overdubs that were necessary to make it tolerable. Let me ask the bootleg experts if your tapes sound more like these sets from the Vault or from How The West Was Won?

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    Most of you mentioned that Led Zeppelin was great because they were influential. By that logic that’s like saying the Cripps and the Bloods are great because they influenced a lot of other violent street gangs. I don’t blame Led Zeppelin for street crime but I do blame them for all of the hair metal bands. And by (hair) extension, the destruction of the ozone layer. The Vault’s blurb says “their arrival tolled the death knell for Peace and Love.” And that’s a good thing? An influence? Yes, a lot more people found Lord of the Rings through LZ than found real blues.

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    I agree that it’s all a matter of taste. And a lot of it has to do with where you were and how old you were when you “discovered” a band. So if LZIIII was on the 8-track when the older kids let you ride with them in the Nova you’ve probably been imprinted like a baby duck and who am I to try to talk you out of it? But one of you really needs to get out of the Nova and get some perspective. “The music industry is the way it is today more due to the impact of Led Zeppelin than any other band, including the Beatles.” I’m speechless. I’m not one of those fans who think the Beatles were perfect and untouchable but if it weren’t for the Beatles, Page would be playing tonight at the Ramada Inn with Neil Christian & the Crusaders and Plant’s career would never have even gotten as far as the Obs-Tweedle band.

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    And I still can’t listen to Stairway without hearing the lyrics to the Gilligan’s Island theme. Thank god (or Clapton.)

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    Peter H

  •  11-15-2007, 9:57 PM 10300 in reply to 9560

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    One of the main sources for How the West Was Won is the 6/25/1972 LA Forum concert.  I have the audience recording for that night.  That concert was no joke.  There were no overdubs and a pretty insignificant amount of edits.  It really was a legendary 6 encore, three hour++ concert, that How the West was Won doesn't really do justice to.  If you're interested, the name of the bootleg is Burn Like a Candle.
  •  11-22-2007, 7:14 AM 10349 in reply to 10298

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    Peter get a grip,

    Zeppelin is and will continue to be "The Worlds Greastes Band" inside and outside of your very small world

  •  11-22-2007, 7:17 AM 10350 in reply to 10298

    Re: The World Greastes Band

    Peter get a grip,

    Zeppelin is and will continue to be "The Worlds Greastes Band". Inside and outside of your very small world, then & now.

  •  11-28-2007, 4:47 PM 10381 in reply to 9783

    Re: The worst singer and the most overrated band in the history of rock

    (fisrt sorry for my english, my native languaje is spanish)

    About rating,  i like to expose some 'cold'numbers:

    I took  the  most importan forums in this page and count the 'views' to see wich are the prefered bands, these are the results (until 28/Nov  at 6:00 pm):

    1. Led Zeppelin - 102, 732 views
    2. Jimy Hendrix - 76,757 views
    3. Black Sabbath - 40,801
    4. The Who - 30,844 views
    5. Jeferson Airplane - 29,290 views

    In other hand, the number one top rated concert is Pink Floyd with 4.75 (the high score posible is 5), the Led Zeppelin concerts are rated #17 with 4.72  and #31 with 4.69 (there are 899 concerts)

    Led Zeppelin is in the top ten  of 'best selling music artis' with more than 300 millons of copies (without counting Mothership and The Song Remains the Same remastered !!!)  (here is the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists#_note-6)

    Led Zeppelin is one of the few rock and roll artist winners of the Polar Music Prize check this link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4415112.stm

    The Led Zeppelin music is marvelous, new generations of youngs in the entire world discovery Zep and love it...

    Best regards to everyone

  •  12-16-2007, 6:38 AM 10518 in reply to 9906

    Re: The worst singer and the most overrated band in the history of rock

    What a IDIOT!!
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