Well, a better show than 10 january 1969

with a set list more complete we need a new concert forum for this one

Great As long as i have you

waiting for 1970 SHOWS if you have some ???

I just created a concert forum for this particular Zeppelin concert for you!

Any chance that you will upload or even release the second set of this show. It would be great to listen to since the sound is better than the one on the bootlegs. Especially the bass and the gong-gong which can be quite annoying some times.

I just asked one of our archivists and yes we have the second set, but I only know it will go up soon, so keep checking!

MR ROBOTO:

I just asked one of our archivists and yes we have the second set, but I only know it will go up soon, so keep checking!

hey Mr archivist do you see something coming from 1970 or  1971 

 

No definitive news on your second question - sorry. You and I will just have to keep checking.

MR ROBOTO:

No definitive news on your second question - sorry. You and I will just have to keep checking.

well, i heard Wolgang's Vaults met Page's lawer so i guess you knew exactly what you had from them ....... but no ??

So i'll keep checking

 

 

ben:

MR ROBOTO:

No definitive news on your second question - sorry. You and I will just have to keep checking.

well, i heard Wolgang's Vaults met Page's lawer so i guess you knew exactly what you had from them ....... but no ??

So i'll keep checking

I've also heard about that but that can be about an official release of the 27 April show which has great sound quality. But it can also be about some new video material that they have found. Who knows?

Yes i agree

and i would like better new video material 

in this case tell us the date of the videos which date

Can the good folks at Wolfgang's Vault explain why they are using bootleg sources that include audience recordings to fill in gaps in their recordings?

What you folks are listing as Led Zeppelin 4.27.69 is widely known as the "Jimi Page Experience" bootleg in Zep circles.

If I wanted to listen to a bootleg, I'd listen to a bootleg, if you catch my meaning.

Love,

Billy

BillyMacQ:

Can the good folks at Wolfgang's Vault explain why they are using bootleg sources that include audience recordings to fill in gaps in their recordings?

What you folks are listing as Led Zeppelin 4.27.69 is widely known as the "Jimi Page Experience" bootleg in Zep circles.

If I wanted to listen to a bootleg, I'd listen to a bootleg, if you catch my meaning.

Love,

Billy

Just a thought here, but maybe you have it backwards. Graham's soundboard tapes and the high quality room tapes existed and circulated among fans many years before that particular bootleg ever existed. So did rough composites made from the best of both sources. I think making a clean flowing composite of the entire show from both sources was a rather obvious nice idea. The makers of that bootleg were probably not the first to think such an obvious thought.

Is it not more likely that the bootleg was sourced from someone who had access to these nice composite recordings rather than the other way around?

This show is incredible! I think we all agree there.

No, it's not likely at all that someone in Bill Graham's organization, in addition to a co-worker taping the show "professionally," was also recording the show from the audience. That's a ludicrous assumption that wouldn't hold up in a kangaroo court.

The show's quality and Zep's immense power in general are not in question here. And I'm not looking to "bite the hand that feeds me," but unless the audience source - what you refer to as "high quality room tapes" - is *also* from Bill Graham's archives, there's a bit of false advertising in play here.

These recordings are touted as being masters from Graham's archives. In this case that claim is patently false - unless someone is prepared to step forward and state definitively that the audience source also originated from the Graham organization.

Otherwise, whoever is making these recordings available also made the curious decision to use a *bootleg* source that includes an *audience* recording to represent Led Zep's set on that night.

What I'm asking is, "what was the rationale behind that decision?"

Love,

Billy

I agree with Billy.

Clarification would be much appreciated as it does appear that bootlegs are being utilized and touted as 'masters from the archive'. Unfortunately, when material such as this is aired, it immediately makes itself available for scrutiny by the fans that listen to these shows on a frequent basis. I think that this scrutiny comes from a good place though, as its merely a reflection of the fans desire to hear something special, ie. wanting them to be true "masters".

We watch with interest.......

Keith.

Zephead2112:

I agree with Billy.

Clarification would be much appreciated as it does appear that bootlegs are being utilized and touted as 'masters from the archive'. Unfortunately, when material such as this is aired, it immediately makes itself available for scrutiny by the fans that listen to these shows on a frequent basis. I think that this scrutiny comes from a good place though, as its merely a reflection of the fans desire to hear something special, ie. wanting them to be true "masters".

We watch with interest.......

Keith.

I always thought this show was known as "The Devils Blues" and not "Jimi Page Experience". Perhaps it has several names?

 

I agree with Keith. You assume that the stuff that’s on Wolfgangs Vault should be material that has never been heard. When I first heard that this show was aired on Wolfgangs Vault I thought that it was the complete recordings and not a patched up version similar to the bootlegs. But that doesn't mean that I don’t like the version that has been uploaded here. It has better sound than the bootlegs. Too bad that it's just the first set...

 

One other thing that is worth considering is that this was not probably meant for the bootleggers. I think they are aiming for all Led Zeppelin fans and not to a very segmented range such as the bootleggers.

The April 27 show is fairly well distributed and has had many bootleg releases with different titles.

It would be nice to have information on how these shows were recorded. Like the equipment used, where abouts in the venue the show was recorded, the transfers done between the original tapes and what appears on the Vault, etc. That would go some way in proving that these recordings are not just widely circulated bootlegs.

Putting up some some non-bootleged shows would also prove that as well. And would be much appreciated to boot.